April 15, 2012

How Anti Smokers Think

Or not, as the case may be.

I have been having a dialogue with an anti smoker today on Twitter.

Want to see the exchange?

It started with this:

@buckmyoldfoots If a Mother 2be smokes whilst pregnant that child should be on "At risk" register before it's born! Must decide most important; fags or baby!

@CaptainRanty At risk of what? Studies show that the very worst risk is that the child will be born a few grams lighter. MSM lies. A lot.

@buckmyoldfoots "Studies show" always sign there aren't any! Smokers great excuse makers becos most important thing in addicts life is the drug!

@buckmyoldfoots Also at risk of passive smoking when born, lighter baby not only problem. what next, "Smoking is good for babies?"

@CaptainRanty Oh please! Humans have ingested carcinogenic smoke for 50,000 years. Our lungs can handle it. SHS is a myth. No-one dies.

@buckmyoldfoots I can honestly say that is the biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard; even from a drug addict!

@CaptainRanty Clearly you believe the lies of Big Pharma. Try some more research. Follow the money. Open your eyes.

@buckmyoldfoots my my, you really are addicted! Shall we get into the "Smokers stink, Smokers are scruffs?" You have NO defence, addict!

@CaptainRanty Have you even read the science? I have read over 80 studies. Never lost the science debate yet. All you have is the smell.

@buckmyoldfoots That's it then. Smoking is good for us;apart from smelling like a dogs arse, risking lung cancer...I feel so sorry for addicts

@CaptainRanty 84% of studies say SHS is statistically insignificant, 9% significant, 7% show positive effects. Read the damn studies.

@CaptainRanty A non smokers risk of contracting lung cancer is 2.4%. I smoke 20 a day. My risk? 2.6%. Like I said, read the science.

@CaptainRanty Nice work Clive. In five tweets you managed to call me an addict four times. Is this the best you can do?

@buckmyoldfoots but you are an addict or you wouldn't defend such a revolting habit! All the "Science" is funded by Forest & Tobacco companies!

@CaptainRanty Actually, all the science I have read was funded by YOUR side. Deal with that, my anti smoking friend.

There are a few more after that but you get the gist. Our pal hasn't read a single study, and he proves it by saying exactly what the MSM has taught him to say.

He offers me his pity at one point. I don't want or need your pity Clive. What I do want, what I do need, is a polite "Thank you" from bile-ridden, ill-informed, apartheid-supporting control-freaks like you. You can thank me for chipping in five times more tax to the NHS than you do. You can thank me for keeping your income taxes down. You can thank me for keeping 100,000 people employed in the UK. If you are a globalist, you can thank me for keeping over 100 million people employed around the world.

Tobacco and slavery gave this nation it's start in the world, in more modern times. (Both built America as well). Both are still legal. Yes, slavery still exists. In fact, it never went out of fashion. They just disguised the law, slightly.

They (the MSM and TPTB) tell us, ad nauseum, that second hand smoke kills millions around the world. I sent an FOI to the Ministry of Health years ago asking them to name three. I waited. I waited. And then I waited some more. They could not name three people, from an alleged list of millions, that had died from second hand smoke.

They lie. They lie all the time. About pretty much everything.

Friend Clive is convinced, and I feel sorry for him. And millions of others, who don't even dare to double-check what the papers have just announced as "a fact". It says so in the Guardian, or the Mirror, or the Sun, so no further proof is required.

Some people don't like tobacco smoke. I get that. But FFS don't tell me how harmful my smoke is whilst you stand around a BBQ inhaling more carcinogens in an afternoon than you would in five years in a smoky pub. Don't you dare scream about my smoke when you happily walk down a road with diesel & petrol fumes being pumped directly into your lungs and those of your kiddies in prams-right there at exhaust level.

No-one likes a braggart, but I studied tobacco. Extensively. From seed to smoke. I studied the studies. I know they are wildly inaccurate. I know they contain blatant lies. I am disgusted that men and women of science put their names to this shit. Have they no shame? No personal integrity? Have they fuck. They sell their professional opinions for 30 pieces of Big Pharma silver. A pox on them.

Chip in by all means, but FFS, do not bring the "smell" argument. This is the 21st century. We do not need to legislate against smells. If we do, I have a list of dozens of things I don't like to smell, but to legislate them is both futile and infantile.

Bring facts. Bring science. Bring opinion if you must. I warn you now: I can win the finance debate. I can win the science debate. I can win the debate based purely on libertarian philosophy.

I am NOT saying that smoking is good for anyone. Although, it does offer protection against colorectal cancer, Parkinsons Disease and Alzheimers Disease, to name but three. AND, asthma rates have soared as smoking prevalence has plummeted. Is there a connection? I don't know. Nobody does.

What I do know is that smokers hold all the records for longevity. A startling, but absolutely true fact. Google Jeanne Calment of France. She died at 123 years of age. She quit when she was 118, and then only because of failing eyesight-she was too embarrassed to ask for a light. She smoked for 106 years.

Lastly, if you want links to any of the claims I have made, just ask. I have thousands of them. I would prefer that you sought them out yourselves though. A common complaint is that "your source is tainted", even if the source is the anti-smoker sites themselves. And no, they see no hypocrisy in this at all.

Nor do they mind taking our body parts when they need them. Don't smoke in pubs, clubs and restaurants, but if I need your corneas, your kidneys, your lungs or your liver then I will happily take them. But because I am an anti smoker I will scream blue murder when I find out a smelly smoker saved my life though. Like I said, they don't do hypocrisy. Don't smoke in the street, don't smoke in your car, don't smoke in your home, but by fuck, keep buying them smokes because I need you smokers to keep my taxes down.

Twats.

CR.

49 comments:

Sciatico said...

I stopped smoking but always have a go at the chronic non-smokers just because they are such thick cretinous sheeple.

OT: Any idea what happened to Old Holborn?

Captain Ranty said...

Sciatico,

The non smokers are not the problem. They never were. It is the anti smokers we are up against, but thankfully, most of them have a very low IQ.

Holby left the country. He now lives in Bulgaria. Bought a house for less than 4K and pays almost no taxes. He is happy again.

CR.

Sciatico said...

Cool! BTW I am about to do something similar. I bought cheap property elsewhere abroad and just bought a vineyard with planning permission 30m from the sea for a weekend place there as well.
I started growing my own baccy too.
Could you leave a message on his blog, since you seem to know more than most?

Martin said...

The antis fall back to the 'smokers smell' default position when they realise that they're talking nonsense. And even the 'smell' argument is total rubbish. Each time I go to the doctors (not often I hasten to add!) I have a fag on the way and every time I go in to see him he asks if I smoke so obviously he can't smell it on me! I don't smell and neither do my clothes because I wash!!

Captain Ranty said...

If you are on twitter you can talk to him directly.

I am envious of your vineyard. I'd love one those.

Damn that global warming and its failure to appear in north-east Scotland!

CR.

Dominic said...

Hi CR

here in Wales the BBC are on the bandwagon with this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17693419
where they clearly show that the rate in lung cancer in women in Wales has doubled. All due to smoking, no other causes can be considered. Doubled they might have, but double 0.019% to 0.038% ie an extra 19 people per 100,000 and it makes the headlines. All this is smoking, not the extra cars, processed foods, or a 100 different things that have changed in the last 30 years.

Captain Ranty said...

Martin,

I get the same thing all the time.

I dress well and I wash my body often. Always have.

Remember how the antis used to complain about "having to wash all my clothes after a night out"?

I bet the filthy fuckers don't wash at all now....

CR.

Captain Ranty said...

Hi Dominic,

I love that story.

Lung cancer has 41 contributors. How do they know that smoking caused their lung cancer? The truth is simple: they don't.

If they happen to spot 20 Woodbine in your top pocket they will say "Ha! There's the culprit!", and then proceed to offer absolutely no proof whatsoever.

It's even worse with heart disease. It has over 300 contributory factors unless you happen to be a smoker. Then it has only one.

CR.

Jay said...

CR, you may wish to have this link at the ready someday: http://i40.tinypic.com/jpjxub.jpg

Captain Ranty said...

Jay,

Very cool!

Thanks.

CR.

lazy said...

How did knob ead sneak in?

Anyway I often have kick offs with the anti's. WIn or lose I do enjoy them

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Captain Ranty said...

Get it all out of your system, fat boy.

Your days are numbered.

CR.

mikebravo said...

Don't have a go at anonymous. He is suffering with a severe stammer and tourets.
Pity the fool as Mr T would say.

Captain Ranty said...

MB,

I DO pity him.

He is morbidly obese and I suspect he will have a cardiac arrest soon.

I pity his wife too.

CR.

Anonymous said...

Looks like a cunning plan to stop the debate by the antis, and it works!!

Blue'n'Bramble said...

What on earth is your twitter friend doing in UKIP? I don't smoke but detest people like that with a passion, what right is it of him to dictate what other people do? His only concern if he doesn't like smoke or smokers is to keep away from them, and it's not hard to do that at all these days. I'm a member of UKIP too, we promote personal responsibility, so he is in the wrong party, tell him to join the LibLabCon.

Captain Ranty said...

B&B,

I will never understand them.

Their hatred is driven by something. Usually a family member has died and the doctor blamed tobacco, so off they set, down Anger Road.

In truth, no doctor can say what they died of, but they believe these people like the ancients believed the shaman.

You are absolutely right though: pally does not belong in UKIP. According to Nige they will allow bar owners to decide for themselves whether to allow smoking or not.

CR.

Longrider said...

Nice little use of the strawman, too, eh?

Captain Ranty said...

LR,

It got worse and worse as his tweets continued so I stopped answering them.

He thinks he had the last word, so I wrote this piece, and I have told him where he can come to debate (in more than 140 characters) if he wants to.

CR.

Katabasis said...

Captain - thought this might be apropos given what passes for "science" these days:

http://cafehayek.com/2012/04/fake-science-everywhere.html

“We went through the paper line by line, figure by figure,” said Begley. “I explained that we re-did their experiment 50 times and never got their result. He said they’d done it six times and got this result once, but put it in the paper because it made the best story. It’s very disillusioning.”

The endarkenment beckons.....

SadButMadLad said...

Looks like @buckmyoldfoots has decided to join your debate using more than 140 characters. Though the quality of his debating is a bit repetative.

Captain Ranty said...

Thanks K.

Reading it now.

CR.

Captain Ranty said...

Saddy,

That is the work of overweight nonentity Double Dickieday.

So far he has written and posted around 150 comments, which I delete as fast as he posts them.

At least while he is busy here with his shite, he is leaving other people alone.

He is pitiful.

CR.

Anonymous said...

cap,any chance of getting rid of this annoying twat,surley he must be under 10 years old,
nige

Captain Ranty said...

Nige,

I can switch him off at will.

It just so happens that I am watching a video and I can keep switching tabs to delete his nonsense.

He is simply wasting his life away with this nonsense.

I kind of want him to. The useless sack of shit.

CR.

mikebravo said...

Nonny has a wife?
Not buying into that!

Captain Ranty said...

MB,

He does. We have a surprisingly large file on the tit.

I had to laugh. His last comment simply said "fucked".

Yes, yes you are my obese friend. You will rue the day you fucked up my blog.

Retribution cometh, and it cometh right soon.

Brace yourself for a shit-storm.

CR.

Blue'n'Bramble said...

mikebravo, more worrying would be if the Jeremy Kyle fan has managed to pump out a kid or several, with someone who thinks thats acceptable behaviour as a father they have lost at life before tey've had a chance to learn it. Should be reported to the NSPCC.

Anonymous said...

Just to be disgustingly pedantic, Jeanne Calment was 122.

Anonymous said...

I had/have lung cancer, you never know for sure until the next scan. Saw my surgeon last week and he was complaining there was no money in LC as it was all blamed on smoking,he had seen enough to know that wasn't true and despite the fact that it kills more woman than breast cancer. But trying to convince those responsible for funding was impossible. Called a friend in the US last week, she has Spinal Stenosis and, guess what, that was due to her smoking too. They are even worse than us but we are getting there. I am glad I am getting old, I don't like what the world has become.

Trooper Thompson said...

It says above people don't like the smell of tobacco. It is actually the smell of cigarettes which they almost always object to, and I think that is due to the additives rather than the tobacco per se (which, in the case of cigarettes, is the cheapest and most adulterated). The smell of natural tobacco is very pleasant, I find.

Michael J. McFadden said...

Well said in all Captain! :)

We thinks alike on much of this.

See:

http://kuneman.smokersclub.com/PASAN/StilettoGenv5h.pdf

and, in ref to their motivations ("I will never understand them. Their hatred is driven by something. Usually a family member has died and the doctor blamed tobacco, so off they set, down Anger Road.") see:

http://wispofsmoke.net/recovery.html

- MJM

Summerisle said...

Im an ex smoker but feel sorry for how smokers are treated. If when I smoked I was forced outside the pub into the rain and cold I would have probably given up earlier. Pity the pub owners who must feel the pressure too. So many of our lovely old pubs closed due to either smoking ban or high taxes on beer. I hate this fucking government for what they have done. Anyway, never trust them when they spout on about health issues: the same shitty, crooked load of professional liars who are quite happy to force fluoridated water, vaccines, toxic pharmaceuticals, pesticides, and GM food on you in the name of 'health'. Really, these fuckers have to go. When will we ever have the balls to do it though?

Harri said...

I am a smoker, and Just happen to detest the smell of fat people :-)

They tend to sweat more than most .. can we ban them [fat people] you know from supermarkets and pubs, clubs and in particular, restaruants.

Anonymous said...

That brainwashed tit and your fat stalker is the reason I still think we're fucked.

Kyd

Anonymous said...

Hi Cap'n,

You know I was having a debate with my mother about the massive rise in prices over the last 20 years (alcohol, tobacco, food, transport, etc) and how the wage hasn't been compensated also with this rise and she said well the rise in tobacco was a good thing, saying it causes.....etc..
I said if that was the case why did grandad not get cancer when he smoked 60 piccaddilly a day or so? I said if that were the case why do smokers around the world live longer, in some cases to non smokers who develop cancers?
I also said, natural tobacco products have no harmful chemicals within them, unlike cigarettes, but more importantly, who has the right to tell people they can't smoke if they want to?

It's about control and anti smokers are unaware they are fascists and programmed automatons under state control.
I have the odd rollie when I've had a few beers and I'd rather be in a pub that smells of smoke compared to putting up with smelly feet, farts and women's overpowering perfume.

regards

Harbinger

Fidel Cuntstruck said...

Cap'n .. you're wasting your time trying to debate with an idiot, most idiots have far more experience of being an idiot than you or I could ever hope to gain and therefore sensible debate is impossible.

Anonymous said...

Cappy-on the smoking issue.If you havn't seen this,feast your eyes(see the report on cannabis)

Reason why i put this up? EVERYBODY should study and join(free) the campaign.IMHO--this is the only way we're gonna beat them--in our courts based on common law/true democracy

Cheerrs
Harry

Harri said...

I wonder if ASH, or any other self-righteous drones, have any tractor stats reference Smokers Vs Fat people .. who dies first and the most?

I bet it's fat people.. ban them from everywhere.

First they came for the smokers, why should sweating fat people not be next?

They are disgusting, and cost the NHS .. billions

Bloody addicts, and slaves to food, they make me physicaly sick just looking at them, have they [fat people] absolutley no self-control .. or pride whatsoever, maybe at the very least, in pubs, clubs and restaruants, they could eat outside, away from other people in 'Fat shelters'?

smokervoter said...

I'd like to address just two points here, the scent of tobacco and addiction. I happen to enjoy the scent but also realize it's an acquired penchant. The solution to the scent disagreement is to allow both smoking and non-smoking pubs. What stinks is control-freakery, always has and always will. How dare some people tell others how to live and what to enjoy or not to enjoy.

Now addiction. I'm happily addicted to everything and anything I happen to like. I like to smoke. I like spaghetti and meatballs, beautiful women and Jeff Beck's guitar playing. So what. We're all addicted to all sorts of things. There's just one addiction that is plainly destructive and that is control-freakery.

Anonymous said...

Theres at least one bigger idiot than DD--ME
Here's the link
http://www.democracydefined.org/

Harry

James Higham said...

Anonymous was pretty creative above.

Barking Spider said...

Imagine trying to tell a farmer that he's no longer allowed to spread shit on his fields because people don't like the smell, DR, the second word would be "off!"

Robert Mason said...

Hi CR
I do so enjoy seeing the 'intelligent' responses you get from these anti morons! We currently have a massive social problem that needs addressing...... Pubs are closing by the thousands, not the so called Gastro pubs, but the working class pubs, were the people who can least afford there social life gather on a regular basis. Is this a conspiracy to keep the unemployed off the streets and indoors??? Give the landlords the choice and let people vote with their feet! Oops I said the dreaded words.... choice and people. I am with you... Fuck em!!!
Robert

ovi said...

I'm an ex smoker but tend towards blaming any adverses on the crap they put in tobacco more than pure baccy itself ... also what happened to nice smelling smoke cheap fags stink these days ..maybe I just yearn for fragrant pipe smoke ...

positive spaces moderator said...

Interesting!
What a long Twitter discussion!

Would you be willing to similarly express your opinion on the topic of banning smoking in public places? would be great if you visited http://ict-spaces.blogspot.com/2012/04/do-you-agree-with-smoking-banning-in_26.html and left a comment (or better yet get into a discussion with a non-smoker, there)

Lousy attitude said...

Hey Cap, I respect your opinion an RIGHT to smoke, but I really can't agree with "Humans have ingested carcinogenic smoke for 50,000 years. Our lungs can handle it." I mean, come on, how is that true? What, we've all lived near erupting volcanoes at some point?

Still, the attitude of these people is appalling. Calling you addict like you were a freaking murderer... Crazy people

Captain Ranty said...

Not so much living near active volcanoes, it's more the burning of wood in caves.

There are more carcinogens in a log of wood than there are in 40 cartons of cigarettes.

Burning anything organic produces carcinogens.

If the second hand smoke stories were to be believed, mankind would not have lasted more than one generation, as the cancers kicked in.

CR.