February 07, 2012

Sovereign "Extremists"

Marvellous.

We are now known by the FBI as extremists. Check out this report from yesterdays Chicago Tribune

Shall we fisk it? I think we should.

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Anti-government extremists opposed to taxes and regulations pose a growing threat to local law enforcement officers in the United States, the FBI warned on Monday."

-So, we are a threat are we? For daring to ask if these thugs have any authority over us?

"These extremists, sometimes known as "sovereign citizens," believe they can live outside any type of government authority, FBI agents said at a news conference."

-Not so much of a belief, it's more of a fact.

"The extremists may refuse to pay taxes, defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard."

-We "extremists" refuse to pay taxes because there is no law that says we must. Stealing our money, often with force, or threats of imprisonment, is as far from democratic as you can get. The US is trading in Chapter 11 bankruptcy. As is the UK, and just about every other first world country that operates on fiat currency.

"Routine encounters with police can turn violent "at the drop of a hat," said Stuart McArthur, deputy assistant director in the FBI's counterterrorism division."

-I have heard of many accounts of police being violent. No hats were involved. Just tasers, batons, pepper spray.....

"We thought it was important to increase the visibility of the threat with state and local law enforcement," he said."

-"We thought it was important to increase the clampdown on the awakening cash cows who have had quite enough of the bullying by state and local law enforcement," he said. Fixed that statement for you.

"In May 2010, two West Memphis, Arkansas, police officers were shot and killed in an argument that developed after they pulled over a "sovereign citizen" in traffic."

-My sympathies to the families of the officers who died. The two men that were pulled over were violent nutters and were going to shoot someone whatever group they belonged to. True sovereigns and freemen are peaceful at all times. Unless they are attacked and need to defend themselves.

"Last year, an extremist in Texas opened fire on a police officer during a traffic stop. The officer was not hit."

-Is there any evidence that he was a Freeman? Either way, a nutter.

"Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said."

-Legal convictions. There's a brand new oxymoron for you. Without knowing the nature of the fraud I cannot comment, but every movement has its charlatans. Ours is no different in that regard.

"We are being inundated right now with requests for training from state and local law enforcement on sovereign-related matters," said Casey Carty, an FBI supervisory special agent."

-I hear the same is being done here but with less noise. The UK police need to treat us differently because we are, erm, different.

"FBI agents said they do not have a tally of people who consider themselves "sovereign citizens."

-It is a very large number, and it grows weekly. Just what are you going to do when many millions are awakened? Shoot them all?

"J.J. MacNab, a former tax and insurance expert who is an analyst covering the sovereign movement, has estimated that it has about 100,000 members."

-Only 100,000? I seriously doubt that this particular expert got the numbers right. Perhaps they are playing it down deliberately?

"Sovereign members often express particular outrage at tax collection, putting Internal Revenue Service employees at risk."

-Outrage used as a weapon of terror? I suppose mild anger is used to merely alarm people? Maybe they should colour code it? Red for "outrage", yellow for "mild anger", blue for "quite upset", and green for "happily pays everything with a smile"

In the last four years I have come into direct contact with the police twice. On both occasions they came to me, and while they were here they were treated with courtesy. No-one got hurt because, like adults, we held a conversation. They were doing their job and I was doing mine. If any violence was to come about, my money was on it being them that instigated it. It's what they do.

Their side of the "argument" is all too predictable. It would be interesting to sit in on one of those training sessions just to hear the justification for the actions of the police. Like us, they are sovereign too, but once they dress up in their little outfits they must have to throw a mental switch. I have a good friend in the Grampian Police. He said to me once "Look, you've all done something wrong at some point, we just haven't caught you yet".

If they all have that attitude, it will end badly.

Tip of the beret to Coz for the link.

CR.

17 comments:

Oldrightie said...

If security forces, police and the military were true citizens, the State could not function. I do so love to dream.

coz said...

I also need to point out that Australia (where I live) has a MOU (Memorandum Of UNDERSTANDING, and we all know what 'understanding' means lawfully) with the US as to what constitutes a 'terrorist' so essentially if the yanks define a terrorist in a certain way it will apply here 'legally'. Don't know the MOU situ in the UK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorandum_of_understanding

Anonymous said...

The number is bollocks, although the article is illustrative of what is really going on.

JJ MacNab made it up in an autumn 2010 "report" she wrote called "'Sovereign' Citizen Kane" which was an "Intelligence Report" for a front organisation called the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Since regurgitated at SPLC's "Intelligence Files" here.

She's also featured in this "report" by CBS from last May and in this article relating to Jared Loughner, published by Forbes in December.

This is her site, in which she describes herself as "The nation’s leading expert on sovereign citizens, tax protesters, and other right wing extremist movements".

She also runs this site which is subtitled "The wacky world of sovereign citizens, tax deniers, and anti-government domestic terrorists".

So we know where she is coming from then.

She is described in this document (automatic PDF download) as one of the system's "maintainers".

Googling the SPLC is very enlightening, as is reading its "intelligence" reports. It is apparently quite often used throughout the MSM in the US as a source of "comment" from "experts".

These may also of interest:
- "SPLC's misdirection of law enforcement" (The New American)
- "SPLC info" (TheSocialContract.com)
- "SPLC's enemies list" (PJMedia.com)
- "SPLC linked to Oklahoma" (TheIntelHub.com)
- "SPLC the shame of America" (TheIntelHub.com)
- "Exposing the SPLC" (TakeBackWashington.com, also on PrisonPlanet)

SPLC has deep connections to the DoJ and the DHS, and its CEO sat on the latter's "Countering Violent Extremism" working group.

Here is an article about one of the co-founders.

Know thine enemy.

Regards

TSL

coz said...

It's an acronymn orgy, mates!

Southern Poverty Law Centre is a notorious Marxist/Fascist site. Full of 'Lawyahs'.

Sue said...

Ours are the same bunch of little Hitlers.

"Police are urging the Government to resist calls to remove Britain from the EU Arrest Warrant. Allan Gibson, a commander at Scotland Yard, warned that alternative, bilateral arrangements with other European countries would "take a lot longer, be less certain and it would definitely be more expensive."

The European Arrest Warrant should only be used for international organised crime, not for individuals.

James Higham said...

Certainly makes them stop and think.

SuiJuris said...

It's an oxymoron - you can't be a Sovereign Citizen; either a Sovereign **or** a citizen. It's like a Free Slave. Keep up the amazing work CR!

Anonymous said...

i dont think these extremists are you ranty.

you stated:

"I am happy to have fair, clear, sensible rules. Otherwise life would be chaotic and we do need some order. I am even happy to chip in to the public purse to pay for stuff I use: the roads, the doctors, the hospitals, a well-trained well-equipped armed forces, well-trained constables and you want some civil servants too"

oh...you sound like a piss poor extremist!!

my image of these real extremists are those that walk the walk and live in camps for 6 months at a time not working but sneaking off to get their benefits that have been paid for by the society they hate.

i wonder how much of this freedom activists mularky on a day to day basis dosent involve saving money....nothing probably!, there can always be good reasons not pay your debts or break your promises to pay all in the name of freedom

dickie doubleday

Anonymous said...

iDay

Independence day – What happens when we leave the EU?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlkd19sorAQ

Captain Ranty said...

Thanks Anon.

I had it lined up for tomorrow but I haz decided to run it today.

CR.

pitano1 said...

Barry Goldwater said, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue"

hi cap.

`extremist`.
or not conforming to the program,is another fear inducing word conjured up by the media,such as `anarchist.

they used to be called `subversists,but that was just for the cold war.?

the war being waged worldwide now is for the mind,and the ignorant dont even realise,

SILENT WEAPONS FOR A QUIET WAR.

lf you control the language,you control the thoughts.

if you think you are governed by the muppets in westminster,you are not.

Katabasis said...

Hey there Ranty - I just came across this very article and thought of you straight away. I wander over here to find you've already got it covered!

The disturbing rhetoric behind this isn't just aimed at FMOTL - in broad strokes it includes all of us anti-establishment / individualist / minarchist types....

Captain Ranty said...

Pitano,

I did a post on here a long time ago called Silent Weapons.

CR.

Captain Ranty said...

K,

Long time no see! Are you well?

Once, long ago, it used to be just me doing the research but now my fantastic commenters bring stuff to the table all the time.

They bring great links and I wish I had time to blog on every one of them. Day job gets in the way.

CR.

Katabasis said...

Hey man! I'm good cheers! We still need to catch up for that beer!

Day job getting in the way? Tell me about it! :)

By the way mate, if you have the time/inclination I could really do with some help publicising some shit that's occurring at my end - see my latest blog post. There's also a rally coming up this Saturday linked to it. It would be good to see you there if you can make it!

Nick said...
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Nick said...

Dickey.
Maybe it's the Cognac I've been drinking.
Maybe it's all the rich food I've been eating.
Maybe it's the total absence of MSM I've enjoyed whilst being away.
I don't know!
What I do know is:-
The tinnitus came back just as you arrived here.

I can still sleep at night though.
Will you be able to?