June 24, 2011

All Over For The Greeks



And hopefully for the Euro.

It is surely just a matter of days now before we see the Drachma, a repaired economy, job creation, and some happy, smiling Greek faces once more.

The Reich is crumbling.

At last.

CR.

31 comments:

Ampers Taylor said...

Nobody else in the EU or the media gets it. And they will continue to be stupid as that was, to paraphrase Nigel, what they were in the first place!

FireballXL5 said...

I look forward to seeing this on the BBC.

Anonymous said...

Great vid, CR, and I share your sentiments.

The BBC typically promotes a different viewpoint; here's Thursday's episode of the Today Programme: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b011zzh4/Today_23_06_2011/ Skip through to 2hrs 34 mins for a "Live from Brussels" conversation with the answer to all the current problems being ever-increasing integration! An assertion from the "Eurosceptic" to the "Europhile" (Auntie being "impartial", of course) that political union was the ultimate aim of the Euro is unchallenged, the intent essentially admitted. Look what's happening as a result of this great "project", it beggars belief.

(Incidentally, the "In Our Time" that followed was about Malthusianism, which is pretty much where the Club of Rome got its depopulation ideas from.)

With all that's happening it's illustrative to watch this video from last February to see how things have panned out since. It's Stefan Molyneux, who you've mentioned in other posts, in conversation with Philipp Bagus, author of "The Tragedy of the Euro" (freely downloadable here) about the Euro crisis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqizjosaFnU. Don't know whether you've seen it or not? @ 8m42s - Molyneux is spot on in his prediction that the Greek people won't buy what their govt is selling. After that they start talking about a default and what that would mean. The whole interview is worth a watch, whether you believe the Austrian School to be "good" or "bad". The theories of the Austrian School had an attempted debunking at the Prison Planet forums a couple of years ago - http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=105934.0 - but got short shrift from other FMs; you can find similar arguments elsewhere, though it often gets confused with the Chicago School. It's something I have been meaning to look at in more detail. Hey, as long as it ain't the Frankfurt School...

Back to Greece - Tuesday's vote heralds the "next stage", whatever that may be. Something tells me the unelected loonies are going to try and muddle through no matter what happens. They've ignored their own rules on the legality of bailouts over and over again. If for some insane reason the project struggles on it will only end up on the skids again if Spain or Italy is next to go tits up - either one is too big to bail out. And what has got lost today is the news of Spain's latest attempt to avoid it: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Spain-unveils-spending-cut-to-apf-938636264.html?x=0&.v=2.

The next few days require much attention.

Regards

TSL

Wayne said...

EU = TWATS

Anonymous said...

Hmm.....

I'd like to see a return of the drachma and no doubt most Greeks would too.
I'd like to see an end to government and no doubt many people would like that too.
I'd like to see an end to banker control of society via the sham called DEMOCRACY which brings me to my concerns of what Farage has said. Sure, Greece is in a bad situation. Sure, by bailing them out and allowing them to keep the euro is as he says imprisoning them within a financial prison. Sure there's nothing more they want that their own control of their country instead of by Brussels. However, Farage goes on and on about democracy, of returning Greece to democracy which in effect really is doing nothing different to the current situation they're in at the moment. The bankers still control society. They still control the governments. They'll still create the legislation that the governments will pass, promoting what the bankers, mega corporations, arms dealers, GM food, petro chemical pharmaceutical and oil giants want.

So sadly cap'n, I see Farage, for what he really is, a wolf in sheep's clothing, offering the people merely out of the frying pan back into the fire. He is, regardless what people may think of him, a puppet of the bankers. His history is in making money and he is the deceiver within society. UKIP is the safety net party, not just for tories, but a clever set up of the bankers whom, when their EU dream crumbles, they'll continue putting their money in them.
I see Farage as Huxley's Dystopian Brave New World, that is the society that evolves when people throw away the Orwell 1984 reality of the main three political parties.

Regardless of whether there is or isn't an EU, the UN (our current world government), along with the many charitable status NGO's (our parallel government) and super elites, will still control what goes on and turn countries into the many regions that they want, continuing to destroy national and individual sovereignty. Our society is already lost on that front. We have no individuality anymore for our cultures are merely globalism. The English crown destroyed my indigenous culture, as it did many throughout the world, to the situation that it's happy to destroy the English one itself. Migration has worked a dream and succeeded in what it set out to achieve. So the EU really is a minimum in the bigger picture of reality, for whether there was or there wasn't an EU, migration and cultural destruction would have continued regardless, as long as the organisations continue their stranglehold of society with government and laws.

Anarchy is the only chance that society and indigenous culture ever has of repairing itself. It's the only chance of creating liberty and above all freedom for the people. If you put your faith in democracy, government and laws, then you merely delay the inevitable of NWO total control.
It's really that simple.

Harbinger

Captain Swing said...

Like dealing with a cornered injured animal we would be wise not to underestimate the EU organisation.The EU will not give up on its beloved Euro quite as easily as we may think.
Italy and Spain are the next likely targets for the globalist takeover treatment provoking more riots and unrest.How long will it be before Eurogendfor stormtroopers are unleashed on the dissenters.We could be witnessing the death of the EU but one thing is certain, they wont go down without a fight.

Captain Ranty said...

Good comments from all.

Yep. I agree that they will fight tooth and nail to keep the Stupid Club operating.

Greece may well be a sacrificial lamb, soon to be replaced by Croatia.

CR.

Anonymous said...

Great vid, CR, and I share your sentiments. As you probably gathered from the Lost & Found comments, I also share the notes of caution from Harbinger and Captain Swing :-)

The view of the Eurocracy is helpfully provided (promoted?) via the BBC; here's Thursday's episode of the Today Programme: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b011zzh4/Today_23_06_2011/ (available until next week). Skip through to 2hrs 34 for a "Live from Brussels" conversation, with the answer to all the current problems being…ever-increasing integration! The direct assertion from the "Eurosceptic" to the "Europhile" (Auntie being impartial, of course) that political union was the ultimate aim of the Euro is not refuted, the intent is essentially admitted. Look what's happening as a result of this great "project", it beggars belief.

(As an aside, the "In Our Time" that followed was about Malthusianism, which is pretty much where the Club of Rome got its depopulation ideas from. The broadcast is useful for a quick 101 on it, though you won’t hear a mention of The Limits to Growth anywhere.)

With all that's been happening, it's illustrative to look back at this video about the Euro crisis, shot last Feb, to see how things have panned out since. It's Stefan Molyneux, who you've mentioned in other posts, in conversation with Philipp Bagus, author of The Tragedy of the Euro and a prominent exponent of the Austrian School of economic theory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqizjosaFnU. @ 8m42s - Molyneux is spot on in his prediction that the Greek people won't buy what their govt is selling, and then they talk about the possibility of default. The whole interview is worth a watch, whether you believe the Austrian School to be "good" or "bad". Its theories had an attempted debunking at the Prison Planet forums in 2009 - http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=105934.0 - which got short shrift from other FMs; you can find similar arguments elsewhere, though it often gets confused with the Chicago School. These schools are something I have been meaning to look at in more detail. Hey, as long as it ain't the Frankfurt School...

If this isn't part of a much larger game, and we are indeed seeing the slow death throes of this project, then the Eurocrats won't go down easily whatever happens on Tuesday. They've ignored their own rules on the legality of bailouts over and over again. If for some insane reason it struggles on, it will surely end up on the skids if Spain or Italy is next - either one is too big to bail out. And what has got lost in the mix is the news of Spain's latest attempt to avoid such a bailout: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Spain-unveils-spending-cut-to-apf-938636264.html?x=0&.v=2

The next few days require much attention.

Regards

TSL

Anonymous said...

Heh - it seems my original comment that I posted whilst bleary eyed early this morning actually made it, though it wasn't there when I looked back just now.

Didn't do a bad job remembering it, what with added bits after seeing Harbinger's post...

Regards

TSL

Captain Ranty said...

TSL,

Just found two comments in the spam bucket.

I set them free.

(Not sure why it snags some and lets others appear. Blogger is odd).

CR.

Anonymous said...

Cheers Captain

It might be because of the links - I think there were four or five in there somewhere so when I re-did it I took them out and just used the text.

Perhaps?!

Regards

TSL

Found A Voice said...

Ranty,

Farage is right in his predictions about the debt burden, but probably 'optimistic' about that this will lead to the Euro's collapse - too many vested political and big financial interests invovled for it to be so simple.

The following commentary I think is a superb take on it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/charlesmoore/8597716/Fear-is-turning-to-anger-but-the-EU-bureaucrats-will-still-screw-us.html

H/T Douglas Carswell.

Cheers
FAV

Captain Ranty said...

FAV,

History tells us that all empires collapse at some stage. This EU abomination is no different.

It's just a matter of time.

I read the Charles Moore piece and I agree that he is on the money about almost everything. He seems to think that the EU have no armed forces at their disposal.

CR.

Found A Voice said...

Ah, yes, in that we agree - the EU cannot continue indefinitely without popular consent, as history tells us.

And whilst I think that the Greek /PIIS countries are damaging the EU, it won't be the end. The political will will prevent it for some time.

It will take a two-tier Europe to end the EU, whereby those outside the prosper with freedom and those inside without do not.

Those conditions take time, so I give the EU project another 20 years before it collapses on itself - 20 years of ever worsening conditions.


"He seems to think that the EU have no armed forces at their disposal."

Yes. A mistake.

Cheers
FAV.

Anonymous said...

The 'journalist' doesn't have a clue blaming Mr Farage for the problems of the euro, sigh.

I've tried to explain to friends what's wrong with being in the euro and I usually get the same response. It's like blaming the weatherman for the poor weather!

Damo

Bollixed said...

The Greater Deutchmark region? (shudders)

will said...

i just wish that anyone promoting the principles endorsed by ukip and farage took them to their logical conclusion.
localism, decentralisation and consent.
if big is bad and small is good, involuntary bad and voluntary good then surely anarchism should be the conclusion.
if supra government is bad and nation-state governments built, endorsed and joined this shit then why tolerate either?
if greece is fucked because it cannot readjust within a greater and heterogeneous whole without its own fiat currency then what is the difference, except scale, when we look at Middlesborough and the UK? even if we accept the statist false assumption that fiat currencies are in anyway natural or necessary wouldnt the worst economically performing area of the uk, like greece, be better able to sort out its problems with its own currency?
look at all the sources of evil totalitarian despotism and oppression and what do they all have in common? the letter U! - the eU, the Usa, the Ussr, the Uk. ever greater 'Unions' of centralised political power causing ever greater loss of freedom for the individual and individuals collectively.
it is weird to see the dichotomy between American freedom lovers and British freedom lovers. the americans have already been subsumed into a supra government - the Usa. that this supra-state eU style fuckup has been going for so long and is getting even worse, even the most radical of mainstream political dissent considers a return to Usa constitutionalism to be the path to freedom. now compare this to us in the uk. the american situation and mainstream desires for freedom I have just described would be the equivalent to us in the uk after a hundred years of the eU. we would have completely forgotten that we ever existed in smaller political units in which the individual was obviously more significant. perhaps we would be complaining that the eU in 2111 was far too powerful and that we needed to roll back to the wonderful 2015 eU constitution and that would solve all the problems.
hopefully you get my drift. now shift this view down a level to the Uk. why is the Uk, the 20th century nation state, the sweet spot on the scale of political power? in the same way that americans are arguing for states' rights why are we blind to the obvious extension of ukip style freedom. why do we not want much much smaller political units. a scale of political power that is so devolved that it necessarily must respect the natural rights and freedoms of the individual or they will vote with their feet?
i dont want to be a slave under the eU and likewise i dont want to be a slave under the Uk. there is very very little difference.
unless you still believe in a 'British' nation you should be able to see that the scale of the tax farm is not the main problem. (just so there is zero confusion - i am not a fabian multiculturalist. far from it, i merely believe that ive got almost as little in common with a highland scotsman, a cornishman, a welshman or a yorkshireman as i do with a huegenot, a catalonian or bretagne.

Anonymous said...

Will,

"....i merely believe that ive got almost as little in common with a highland scotsman, a cornishman, a welshman or a yorkshireman as i do with a huegenot, a catalonian or bretagne."

I just got by writing a reply to your reply on your blog (I presume it's the same will from Angry Anarchist) and you are write. There is no longer any indigenous culture within the UK as all of us, sadly have been brought up in a globalist culture where you are correct that an Indigenous Scotsman is no different to an Indigenous English, French or Spanish human being. All of our cultures were smashed on purpose in order to lose identity.

Harbinger

will said...

yeah same will(to think i just wrote a massive post about anonymity - do as i say not as i do)

agreed - there's been intentional cultural meddling and the shires no longer have differentiating distinctions. local ales which is about all that anyone could point to are a pastiche of local cultures lost.
even if there were still indigenous cultures there's no reason for me to be enslaved under the same political unit as the scotsman or even for that matter an area within 'england' which has a culture distinct from my own. i dont understand what geordies are on about and i dont think theyd like me either so why am i lumped in with them, cockneys and cornishmen.
Cornishmen, for example, have historically and economically got much more in common with channel islanders, north-western french, northern spanish and portugese than they do newcastle (who likewise have got more historical and economic ties to denmark, germany and scandanavia).
if devolved to smaller political units such as a cornish nation state and a city state of newcastle i imagine we would see such traditional and economic links revived voluntarily and naturally in a non politicised european market free from the fabian nwo lot. coastal trade with europeans is part of our heritage and by forcing some perverted form of that onto an unwilling continent this is being forgotten under a natural and justified anti-european backlash.
for examples - the norfolk fens play host to the world dyke jumping championships with entrants from all the low countries (including the different and separate parts of belgium and holland that have been forced together into unnatural agglomerations). - the french, spanish and portugese all make and drink cider just as our south-western counties do.

those horrific 'north eastern atlantic' trans national EU economic areas are just the sort of centrally planned bullshit that is doomed to failure as it ignores fundamental principles of (austrian) economics. conversely the historical trade routes that developed over thousands of years effortlessly reflect each and every economic factor that no group of humans could ever possibly calculate.

The Boiling Frog said...

It is surely just a matter of days now before we see the Drachma, a repaired economy, job creation, and some happy, smiling Greek faces once more.

I wish it were so simple, but I'll be surprised if the Greeks don't vote in favour of the next austerity budget on Tuesday - albeit rejecting some parts.

This whole sorry saga has got some way to go yet - the EU (and indeed the Greek Government) will not give in without a protracted and bloody fight to the bitter end.

I am Stan said...

"All of our cultures were smashed on purpose in order to lose identity."

Harbinger

Lol.

will said...

where's my second comment replying to Harbinger gone? it was here for hours after i posted it

Anonymous said...

Stan,

You have to be one of the most dumbest fuckwits I've ever had the mispleasure of coming across. And ironically you still try to maintain a highground, when you, as a black man, of a different people and culture are the epitome of that planned cultural destruction and ultimate loss of indigenous identity.

As I said many times over, any argument you give I've ripped holes in to the point that I no longer bother, because when I see your name, it's a case of "more bollocks to wade through from the man who is black, African, not English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh and yet classifies himself as British."

Do me a favour Stan, ignore me, as I most certainly will you....

Harbinger

Captain Ranty said...

Will,

It was in the spambox.

I have freed it.

CR.

Anonymous said...

Hi Will,

That's a good post.

There is so much indigenous cultural diversity within England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales that we really don't need anymore non indigenous cultural diversity to add to it.
What angers me the most about cultural meddling as you correctly put it, is that if people want to practice their indigenous cultures, home school their children, not live by acts, statutes, bills and legislation and stick two fingers up at foreigners and their cultures then they should have the freedom to do so without reprimand from anyone. It's this exact totalitarianism, the battering ram of socialism that contradicts their views and turns them into overwhelming hypocrites!

Although I was born in Scotland, have Scottish ancestry, my mother is English, great grandmother was Irish on my Scottish father's side and on my mother's side there's welsh I believe. So it makes me a true child of the UK. I do get angry when I read my Scottish history and see the persecution of the Scots and the deliberate assassination of the Scottish people and their cultures and today I see the same thing happening in England, to the English people, although most certainly not as severe as was done to the Scots and the Irish.

The freedom to live under your ancestral cultures is in fact a right under the UN, not that I give a shite what they have to say. Those who stick up for their BRITISH indigenous cultures are wrongly branded as racists and yet everyone jumps to help other foreign cultures and peoples and their fight for survival. For example, I was watching some TPUC video on BBC5 about some American giving an interview with Brian Gerrish on the EU, Fabianism, Communism and Nazism and he was really doing this as an advertisement for some united Anglo American group against the NWO. In the documentary he did a seminar in the same place most of the Brian Gerrish/John Harris ones are done and went on about how we have to help some obscure tribe in Nigeria.... Not that I'm against Nigerians, I'm most certainly not, but bub, fuck 'em. Charity begins at home and once you start trying to sort out another person's backyard, make damn sure yours is done first.
I really don't want the fight against cultural demolition to be waged on helping Africans, Asians and whatnots into sorting out their lands before mine. Part of the reason our land is smashed to pieces is migration to it, from economic migrants, no doubt trying to better their lives but sadly at the expense of the indigenous.

Again a ramble but we don't really have a culture anymore. We are globalists, unknowingly as we've been indoctrinated since a young age.

Harbinger

Anonymous said...

As the BBC reports from the safety of its hotel balcony here are some live streams & vids from Athens:

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2011/06/28/athens-june-28-live-streaming-blogging-in-english/

Direct link on DM:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjknq6_live-streaming-yyyyyy-yyyyyyy-yyyyyyy-yyy-yyyyyyyyyyyy-yyyyy-1y_news

They may stutter from time to time, just refresh the page...

Regards

TSL

will said...

many thanks captain.

Anonymous said...

Here's another one which changes camera angle from time to time, the quality is a bit ropey though

http://www.star.gr/ellada_kosmos/93174

Regards

TSL

I am Stan said...

Stan,

"You have to be one of the most dumbest fuckwits I've ever had the mispleasure of coming across."

You should get out more blood!

;)

I am Stan said...

Harbinger said,

"more bollocks to wade through from the man who is black, African, not English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh and yet classifies himself as British."

"Do me a favour Stan, ignore me, as I most certainly will you...."

Harbinger

Oh dear!, now don`t get yer kilt in a crease, I`m actually doing you a favour Harb`s, by educating you on the hard realities of life in the real world.

The world also classifies me as British Harb`s, thats what it says on me passport son, when traveling abroad which I do regularly jonny foreigner refers to me as British, so in the real world, you know reality, I`m British,of African stock obviously.

Welcome the new Brit,same as the old Brit, just a different color, like your kids yeah?

Is it starting to sink in yet?

No need to thank me it`s my pleasure..;)


Toodle pip old bean!

Anonymous said...

155 vote yes, 138 vote no. And the whole sorry mess staggers on.

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2011/06/29/athens-june-29-live-streaming-blogging-in-english/

With a bit of police-enhanced ultraviolence, apparently.

Regards

TSL